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Ugghhh!  My question on Quora-
In detail, delineate what evidence biologists have to support their theory of human evolution?
I am looking for some specific data not the whole story of evolution or proof of evolution.

So I ask please exclude any evidence related to other animals, insects, plants, etc..
Also exclude anthropology (except biology), archaeology and other soft sciences.

this is the kind of idiotic answers I get:

Don Rolph  2 Views

Hmm as noted, you posed the question in an interesting way, where interesting is a pejorative.
First we can observe evolution in a test tube, in nature and even in humans (c.f. development of high cholesterol resistance in Northern Italy in 18th century).  So the question becomes if evolution does occur, and that is provable, can it be used to support a model of evolution of the various species.  But this rests on an old earth:  4.5 billion years old.  This comes from geology.  do you admit the geologic evidence?  But the geologic evidence rests on readioactive aging techniques for rock:  do you accept modern atomic theory?  And so forth.  More  correctly if you want to challenge the model of human evolution, what evidence do you have that it is incorrect?  Since as noted there is copiuss evidence that it is correct.  The burden of disproof at this point is actually on you.
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Observations of QUORA.com "I shake my head" :/

I have been on Quora for a couple years now and have made some disheartning observations.   My hope is these observations are not the norm but believe it to be so.  Reading comprehension is abysmal leading to many confrontations.  Then there are too many that do not have a clue to a subject and answer out of Wiki or some source similar.  Those who answer on the popular side of science (right or wrong) like Man Made Climate Change and Human Evolution too often offer up spoon fed platitudes without any data.  They name subtopics such as DNA and Genomes but never go into detail.  They viciously attack Creationist and Intelligent design with insults and hate and refuse civil debate.  On the social science front rewritten history is recited over and over but never really defended.
It is sad to see and frustrating to deal with.

Information in the Vaccination / Anti-Vaccination War.

For your consideration the facts not often discussed from the CDC, NCVIA, VAERS:
A look at the USA and Measels:
current population  319 mil
percent vaccinated 85-91% (depending on source)
negative side effects - 1 in 3000 high fevers and or siezures (CDC stats)
Pop X Vacc % / 3000 = number of fevers and or siezures (siezures and high fevers  can lead to brain damage or death)

CDC does not publish records on deaths from MMR vaccine or long term effects of siezures and high fevers.  Why not treat the data on reactions as serious as vaccinations?
A statement from the CDC: A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. The risk of MMRV vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
QUESTIONS: 
How small?  Number of vaccinated?  number of cases measles?  number of deaths measles?

Mild Problems
    Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
    Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
    Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)

If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.

Moderate Problems
    Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
    Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
    Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)

Severe Problems (Very Rare)
    Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
    Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
        Deafness
        Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
        Permanent brain damage

You have to dig for deaths which shows 108 in the last 10 years of which 96 were Measles vaccines (far more than from measles).  This number is likely low as reporting is voluntary thus incomplete.

As to the 2014 numbers of measle cases were an anomaly as old amish communities accounted for 383 cases (from some 500,000+ amish).  minus that, measle cases were about normal to slightly high

The  VAERS - NCVIA (created by National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act) :
 Number of Reports VAERS Receives
VAERS receives around 30,000 reports annually, with 13% classified as serious (e.g., associated with disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illness or death) (CDC VAERS Master Search Tool, April 2, 2008). Since 1990, VAERS has received over 200,000 reports, most of which describe mild side effects such as fever. Very rarely, people experience serious adverse events following immunization. By monitoring such events, VAERS helps to identify any important new safety concerns and thereby assists in ensuring that the benefits of vaccines continue to be far greater than the risks.

Many different types of adverse events occur after vaccination. About 85-90% of the reports describe mild adverse events such as fever, local reactions, and episodes of crying or mild irritability. The remaining reports reflect serious adverse events involving life-threatening conditions, hospitalization, permanent disability, or death, which may or may not have been caused by a vaccine.

That means 3,900 serious side effects from vaccinations in the USA with deaths higher that deaths from actual measles cases.

When we talk about vaccines the side effects should be included for parents to make a informed decision. 
  I believe in Freedom of Choice, a Liberty some would like to strip with a Federal Mandated Vaccination Law. 

The New Science for contentious fields like ACC, AGW, Evolution and such?

It is sad that many in the more contentious science fields like Evolution of Man Biology, Man Made Global Warming (Anthropogenic), Man Made Climate Control (Anthropogenic) and so on have gone this route.

This deserves 1 more look - Lover of Freedom!

Rising problems with Quora.com

Quora is becoming a one sided cocktail weenie roast ruled by Man Made Climate Change Folks or to be PC Anthropogenic Climate Change , Gun Control Freaks, Anti 2nd Amendment, Biology Evolutionist, Anti US Constitution (outdated), Athiest or Agnostic only.  Quora is making it hard for honest discoarse, allowing slander from the above mentioned.  The above serve up platitudes and spoonfed talking points void of evidence along with stinging insults.  There is nothing wrong with these subjects just the rabid manner they are touted.
 Yes, what I had hoped to be a intellectual outlet is but a fly trap for those interested in exchange and knowledge.

Alarmist and the Ozone Hole Mess!

Changes in technology for collecting data lead to uncertain comparisons.
One example ozone data collection leading to the declaration that the Ozone Layer is disappearing and needs for radical protection. Truth, NASA recognized a problem with technological differences and commissioned Ball Aero Space to develop bridge technology to try and accurately compare 1970's –80’s data to current data (pre ‘77 no data). Before 1977 (Pawan Bhartia with NASA) it was an unknown condition. At last I knew Ball was still unsuccessfully trying to figure it out. Further question, why are areas with hole in the ozone not destroyed by the lack of ozone as the pundits depict in their Ozone Hole Warnings?

If you look from 1990 to the present there is little change. Any thing before that is bad data and basically reflects bad data.

Series on Early 1900's Written History ignored by AGW and ACC #3

AGW and ACC believers ignore written history and rely on suspect data as the leg their argument stands on.  With out historical data they have no argument to base any thing on.  Keep in mind climate changes all the time for various reasons. 

Townsville Daily Bulletin (Qld. : 1907 - 1954) Saturday 31 May 1947

ARCTIC CLIMATE'S ALARMING CHANGE LOS ANGEL.ES. May 30.— A mysterious warming of the climate is slowly manifesting itself in the Arctic, and in the Antarctic ice regions and the major Greenland ice cap should reduce at the same rate as the present melting, oceanic surfaces would rise to catastrophic proportions, and people living in lowlands along the shores would be inundated, said Dr. Hans Ahlmann, noted Swedish geophysicist today, at tbe University of California's Geophysical Institute. Dr. Ahlmann added that temperatures in the Arctic have increased by 10 degrees Fahrenheit since 1900. An 'enormous' rise from the scientific standpoint. Waters in the Spitsbergen area, in the same period, have risen from three to five degrees in temperature, and one to one and a half millimetres yearly in level. 'The Arctic change is so serious that I hope an international agency can speedily be formed to study conditions on a global basis.' said Dr. Ahlmann. He pointed out that in 1910 the navigable season along the western Spitsbergen lasted three months. Now it lasts eight months.

Series on Early 1900's Written History ignored by AGW and ACC #2

AGW and ACC believers ignore written history and rely on suspect data as the leg their argument stands on.  With out historical data they have no argument to base any thing on.  Keep in mind climate changes all the time for various reasons.

Townsville Daily Bulletin (Qld. : 1907 - 1954) Friday 23 February 1940
 THE NORTH POLE.
Is it Getting Warmer. (From a Special Correspondent. By Air Mail.)
BUNDABERG, February 22.

Is it getting warmer at the North Pole? From soundings and meteorological tests taken by the Soviet explorers who returned this week to Murmansk, Russia's sole ice-free Arctic port, it was concluded that near Polar temperatures are on an average six degrees higher than those registered by Nansen 40 years ago. Ice measurements were on an average only 6½ feet against from 9¼ to 13 feet. The return of the Soviet icebreaker Sedoff brought to a close a Polar expedition, involuntarily undertaken which led to important discoveries. For 2½ years she had drifted while trapped in Polar ice. Fifteen men volunteered to stay on board the Sedoff until relief came. In the drift to the north-west these men passed nearer to the North Pole than any other ship. Their highest latitude registered was 86 degrees 56min. North.   They discovered by soundings a near Polar sea pocket, 17,260 feet deep. Such a pocket had hitherto been unsuspected in the Polar Sea.

Series on Early 1900's Written History ignored by AGW and ACC #1

AGW and ACC believers ignore written history and rely on suspect data as the leg their argument stands on.  With out historical data they have no argument to base any thing on.  Keep in mind climate changes all the time for various reasons.

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld. : 1933 - 1954) Monday 6 May 1940

 Greenland's Climate Becoming Milder

Is the Arctic climate becoming more temperate? Remarkable new information given by the famous Swedish authority, Professor H. W. Ahlmann in a lecture to the Swedish Geographical Society, suggests that this may be the case. Professor Ahlmann was speaking on the collated results of his expedition to north-east Greenland, and he stated that the glaciers there showed clear signs of a change towards a warmer climate. As had been observed in other parts of the Arctic, especially in Spitzbergen, the melting had increased rapidly. By far the largest number of local glaciers in north-east Greenland had receded very greatly during recent decades, and it would not be exaggerating to say that these glaciers were nearing a catastrophe.

I wanted this one up front again. "Truth about the 2nd Amendment"

The 2nd Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the

right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Authored by James Madison and George Mason

Let us start with an important fact.  Those who participated in the amendment process argued the merits and agreed if they win or lose they would accept the outcome knowing they had 2 (only 2) legal remedies if it did not work; 1) the amendment process,  2) calling a Constitutional Convention.   They knew the meaning of the amendments that passed and accepted those meanings.    The meaning of the Second Amendment is that put forth by the writers James Madison and George Mason, along with the likes of Thomas Jefferson who had input and are rather clear with example after example.

Critics of the Second Amendment and it’s scope make erroneous arguments.   First they claim, “the Amendment means less than what others say.  They argue “it only refers to those currently in the militia.”   This is clearly wrong as the writers and supporters spell out the meaning in the writings and written accounts of there argued defense of.  There is written documentation of the debates prior to the Congress passing the Amendment and then the amendment being ratified by the States explaining the Amendment.  To say we do not know what they intended is shear ignorance or misrepresentation.  Below you will find many examples.

Second they claim “like the 1^st amendment there can be limitations put on it.”  The last 4 words of the Amendment, not in any other amendment, are extremely clear as it is not to be tampered with.  It gives no room to distinguish between a handgun, rifle, automatic weapon, canon, grenade, and more.  It fends off caveats being placed on it with those last 4 words “shall not be infringed.”  Unless the term infringed has changed (it has not) or we moved into a parallel universe where it means something else, opinion has it, any federal judge who has sided with gun control legislation has either wittingly or unwittingly committed some level of Subversion against The United States Constitution as they have sworn to uphold the Constitution.  Federal Justices either twisted or out of ignorance or self-interest ignored those last 4 words. 

The 2^nd Amendment is not to be tampered with and to do so is Subversion against the USA via the Constitution.

Below see some of the writings of those who at the time argued for the Second Amendment.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is

the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

George Mason Co-author of the Second Amendment

during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"

Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

 

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full

posession of them." Zachariah Johnson

Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the

Adoption of the Federal Constitution."

"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear

their private arms" Philadelphia Federal Gazette

June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2 Article on the Bill of Rights

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to

infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent

the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own

arms; …" Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

The Founding Fathers on Arms

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the

American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the

Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to

ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable

… the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they

deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

George Washington First President of the United States

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand

arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve

order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the

world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others

dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived

of the use of them." Thomas Paine

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always

possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."

Richard Henry Lee American Statesman, 1788

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a

gun." Patrick Henry American Patriot

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we

cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having

our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management

of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands

can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own

hands?" Patrick Henry American Patriot

 

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."

Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the

people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … "

Thomas Jefferson letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly

armed." Alexander Hamilton The Federalist Papers at 184-8

The Founding Fathers on Maintaining Freedom

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the

Constitution." Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They

promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "

Noah Webster American Lexicographer

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion."

Edmund Burke British Statesman, 1784

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time

to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

Thomas Jefferson to James Madison

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve

neither liberty nor safety."

Ben Franklin American Statesman

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal

Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950])

...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave

them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of

other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James

Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

"the ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone," (James Madison, author of

the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper #46.)

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to

tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend

 

our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the

people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private

arms." (Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal

Constitution' under the Pseudonym `A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal

Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public

officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

  

"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United

States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams,

Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,

86-87)

To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess

arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry

Lee, 1788

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full

possession of them." (Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly

armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to

infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent

the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own

arms..." (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the

Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850))

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from

time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take

arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of

patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787

(The American Colonies were) "all democratic governments, where the power is in the

hands of the people and where there is not the least difficulty or jealousy about

putting arms into the hands of every man in the country. (European countries should

not) be ignorant of the strength and the force of such a form of government and how

strenuously and almost wonderfully people living under one have sometimes exerted

themselves in defence of their rights and liberties and how fatally it has ended

with many a man and many a state who have entered into quarrels, wars and contests

with them." [George Mason, "Remarks on Annual Elections for the Fairfax Independent

Company" in The Papers of George Mason, 1725-1792,

****This last quote is a warning****

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full

gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the

world will follow our lead into the future!"

Adolph Hitler Chancellor, Germany, 1933aa

The Father of the USA George Washington's Prohetic Vision

George Washington’s prophetic vision- The Revolution, Civil War, World War III on US soil.
The National Tribune, in December 1880. The National Tribune became, "The Stars and Stripes", and this article was later reprinted in that publication.

     I do not know whether it is owing to the anxiety of my mind, or what, but this afternoon, as I was sitting at this table engaging in preparing a dispatch, something in the apartment seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite to me a singularly beautiful being. So astonished was I, for I had given strict orders not to be disturbed that it was some moments before I found language to inquire the cause of the visit. A second, a third, and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of the eyes.
By this time I felt strange sensations spreading through me. I would have risen but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I tried once more to speak, but my tongue became useless, as if paralyzed. A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistible, took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly at my unknown visitor.
     Gradually the surrounding atmosphere seemed to fill with sensations, and grew luminous. Everything about me seemed to rarefy, the mysterious visitor also becoming more airy and yet more distinct to my sight than before. I began to feel as one dying, or rather to experience the sensations I sometimes imagine accompanying death. I did not think, I did not reason, I did not move. All were alike impossible. I was only conscious of gazing fixedly, vacantly on my companion.
Presently I heard a voice say,

"Son of the Republic, look and learn,"

while at the same time my visitor extended an arm eastward. I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon the strange scene. Before me lay, out in one vast plain all the countries of the world -- Europe, Asia, Africa, and America. I saw rolling and tossing between Europe and America lay billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific.

"Son of the Republic", said the same mysterious voice as before,

"Look and learn."

    At that moment I beheld a dark shadowy being, like an angel, standing, or rather floating in mid-air, between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left he cast some over Europe. Immediately a cloud arose from these countries and joined in mid-ocean. For awhile it remained stationary, and then it moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashed of lightning gleamed through at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American People.
A second time the angel dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud drew back to the ocean, in whose heaving billows it sank from view.
A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying,

"Son of the Republic, look and learn."

I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and town and cities spring up one right after another until the whole land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was dotted with them. Again, I heard the mysterious voice say,

"Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh, look and learn."

    And this time a dark shadowy angel turned his face southward. From Africa I saw an ill omened spectra approach our land. It flitted slowly and heavily over every town and city of the latter. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other. As I continued look I saw a bright angel on whose brow was traced the word 'Union.' He was bearing the American flag. He placed the flag between the divided nation and said,

"Remember, ye are brethren. "

Instantly the inhabitants, casting down their weapons became friends once more, and united around the National Standard.
    Again I heard a mysterious voice saying,

"Son of the Republic, look and learn."

At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia, and Africa.
Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene. From each of these continents arose thick black clouds that were soon joined into one. And throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men. These men, moving with the cloud marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of the cloud. And I dimly saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns and cities, which I had seen spring up.
     As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I again heard the mysterious voice saying,

"Son of the Republic, look and learn."

When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth, and blew a long and fearful blast.  Instantly a light, as of a thousand suns shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments of the dark cloud, which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shown the word 'Union,' and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were well-nigh over come, but who immediately taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks, and renewed battle.

Again amid the fearful voice of the conflict I heard the mysterious voice say,

"Son of the Republic, look and learn."

As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped the water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark clouds rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious.
     Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where I had seem them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard cried with a loud voice:

"While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last."

And taking from his brow the crown, which blazoned the word 'Union,' he placed it down upon the standard while the people, kneeling down said, 'Amen.'
The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor, I at first beheld. This also disappeared, and I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor who, in the same voice I heard before said,

"Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful for her is the third. But the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and Union."

     With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been showed me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States."